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The ongoing Netscape Dilemma

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Submitted on: 3/6/2001 1:00:39 PM
By: Sam Moses  
Level: Intermediate
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     Ever since the "official" end of the browser war, developers have had to ask themselves "to Netscape? Or not to Netscape." That is the question. With old standards in mind, and new ones on the way with the release Netscape 6.1 the question remains.

 
 
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I was working on a web site a couple of months ago. It was a pretty standard sports site for an up and coming service on the web. I was leading a project team to completely redesign yet another messed up post Pabulum project. Don't get me wrong. I have nothing against the Pabulum group, but their code is impossible to work with. The purpose of this assignment was to get the code ready for dynamic generation. We had to make it simpler, without losing the effect. It was also my first project that took advantage of JSP code. Needless to say, I was excited.

As the project went on however, we noticed dozens of layout issues with Netscape 4.76, which was the latest Netscape Browser at the time. Tables would appear at the wrong side of the screen, if they even appeared at all. Font colors would be wrong. Pictures would be distorted. In a fit of javascripting, I even wrote two sets of code to compensate for the vast difference in the browsers.

After a long night of pizza eating and frenzied coding, the site went live. We watched the hits come in over the soda can covered desk of the head of engineering. It was a remarkable experience. One detail that struck me though. Over the first three hours we received 90 hits. I know it's wrong to call sessions hits, but I just can't help myself. 90 hits doesn't sound like much, but that's really not all that bad for your first three hours.

86 users on IE. 3 users on Netscape, and one besheveled Lynx user. Back in the days, before GIFs and JPEGs there was one browser, and it only read text. Usually, on one-color screens, this browser provided it's users with the latest in news, and um, all five other web sites that were online at the time. It had no capability for JavaScript. Heck, JavaScript didn't even exist yet. No graphics, nothing. It did one thing and did it well. Text.

Over the years, graphical browsers like Mosaic and Netscape1 took its place. And then a funny thing happened. Microsoft.

As a large Evil Corporate Entity based on world domination, they saw the potential that the Internet provided. Thus, Microsoft Internet Explorer was born. Now, the first few versions of IE were terrible. Netscape had them out moded in every way. And so the browser war began. Users took sides quickly. Although, IE became a part of the Windows 95 Operating system, Netscape had something IE never could. Sympathy. Being an IE user in a Netscape office became as bad as being a Republican in California. Web sites started screening out any browser that didn't have Mozilla in the tag line, and virtual blood was shed from Redmond to Haifa. It was became a religious argument. To a Netscape user, you were less of a human being if you preferred IE. It was like you were in league with the Devil himself, Bill Gates. Eventually, Microsoft won, nearly driving Netscape out of Business. Microsoft didn’t buy Netscape, but in the eyes of most Netscape users at the time, AOL wasn't much better. As browsers became more advanced, we saw the beginnings of streaming content, new Languages like Java, ASP, and others were buzzing around the IT community. IE became the staple at most Internet startups, and as someone who really didn't care what browser I was using, that was fine by me. Months later, I was using IE 4.76. After complaints from a client that the page wasn't viewing properly in Netscape 4.1, I downloaded it. To my shock and utter horror, I watched as Netscape ttore and mangled my beautiful pages.

So I rewrote them. When I was done, they looked great in Netscape. My client was very pleased. Unfortunately, IE didn't have the slightest clue as to where to even start reading them. Eventually, I settled for an inferior product, just because it read the same way in both browsers.

But that was almost two years ago. By the time I had started at the happy little sports site, I was using IE 5.5 and according to the server logs, almost no one was still using Netscape 4.76 Honestly, I couldn't blame them. But viewing the first 90 hits, and noticing that Netscape users literally out numbered Lynx users two to one. I wondered if I had wasted three weeks of my clients’ time on nothing? Could there be a sudden surge of Netscape users that would make the whole thing worthwhile?

The users never came.

The next project I started was for a furniture company. By this time, Netscape 6.1 had been released, and I was jumping for joy. Finally, I can get away with screening out 4.76 users. So that was exactly what I did. When that site went live we had a larger percentage of Netscape users. Six Percent. Sometimes, it even went up to 15. Never higher. 4.x users were sent to a page telling them to upgrade. It felt good.

But even with Netscape 6.1, IE is still a better browser. It's faster, and smarter. Although Netscape 6.1 has some cool new features that IE doesn't have, like skins, the fact is that a browsers job is still too read web pages. That's all. It doesn't need too be an amazing program as long as it reads web pages fast, well, and accurately. At all of these, IE just does a better job. As a developer, I need to be impartial. But ask yourself this question:

Are you using your browser because you honestly believe it's a better browser? Or are you using it because you hate Microsoft?


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3/7/2001 8:41:07 AM:Alex Nunn
I use the most recent version of IE in release and love it. With 5.5, everything loads fast and IE is integrated enough into the OS that initial load time is much faster then Netscape. For the company I work for, I've continued to create a secondary page for the complex stuff Netscape can't handle, but I've never bothered to look at the logs. Unless they don't manage to fix all the bugs Netscape 6 has, I'll probably continue the practice.
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3/8/2001 12:27:02 PM:Dondata
Very beautifull written. And hournest too. IE has come to stay, and that´s a fact. The functionality in IE is way more efficient than Netscape. Netscape was the truly pioneer of the web. But IE has overtaken the market, with it´s friendyness, and functionality.
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3/12/2001 11:23:58 PM:Dan Hendricks
It sounds like there is heavy bias in most of the feedback. I agree with the author. I used to be a hard-core Netscape fan (it was faster and better) and switch to IE since it supported more stuff and is MUCH faster loading. As a developer, I HATE developing for non-IE browsers - but I do it anyway because I don't think my opinions should hinder information exchange and the Internet as a tool. Plus, I get paid by the hour anyway. I know there are few Mac users here given the content of this site, but I'd also like to remind everyone to view their web pages on a Mac, if possible. Mac users count as hits too! They may be using IE for the Mac, but it doesn't always look the same as IE on Windows.
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3/18/2001 11:54:24 PM:TheFrogPrince
I agree with the author. As a developer, I will be devoting as little attention to accomodating Netscape as possible. My latest page is an example: http://members.tripod.com/thefrogprince/ The site obviously uses tables and frames extensively... and ever since I can remember, Netscape has implemented these two items properly. Until Netscape comes up to par on those two items, they deserve to be boycotted... 'cause it's not like those are real fancy or complicated things. Netscape focuses too much on fancy... they miss the basics. As an alternative, the Opera web browser also renders frames and tables properly... and it gives an alternative to Netscape for people who can't get over their loathing for a lucky guy named Bill Gates. =)
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3/19/2001 6:22:57 AM:Fishybob
I used netscrape up until IE 4.0 came out. Ever since then I feel as both a developer and user that IE offers a lot more and is by far the better browser. Supporting Netscape has become one of the number one complaint of web developers and it's not surprising more and more people are just giving up supporting Netscape. It is a shame that with such well documented standards (www.W3C.org) to work from that browser applications cannot give us developers a consistant and accurate base to develop quality websites and applications that work for everyone regardless of OS or browser.
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3/19/2001 8:54:38 AM:Heidi
As a developer it is my job to code for the IE and Netscape. I make recommendations on my sites, however, I test all my programs and web pages in IE and Netscape (different versions.) I enjoyed your article very much.
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3/21/2001 4:37:18 PM:ARRiVE
Well Said!
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4/4/2001 1:43:39 PM:Ian Ippolito
Sam, I too used to use Netscape (back in IE1.0 and 2.0 days when IE really stunk), but after IE 3.0, I switched permanently because of the better speed, features and rendering capability. Planet Source Code receives about 8% Netscape users, though, so I still have to code for both browsers. Great article!
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4/4/2001 3:43:21 PM:Sam Moses (Author)
I've decided that I like the way NS 6 renders pages for the most part. It's better with frames (still not perfect) and worlds better with tables. The only real problem is that it is snail slow. When users are faced with serious bandwidth concerns slowing down their viewing on the server side, a browser as slow as Netscape 6 doesn't help matters.
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4/6/2001 6:48:07 PM:Jeff Katz
Netscape 6 is superior to ie 5.5 in all ways but one, and its a biggie, and it explains alot: Microsoft Internet Explorer, since version 4 (when many of you switched), has had the JAVA VM intigrated with Windows. The Java starts when windows starts, and ends when windows ends. Netscape has to have its VM load when you load Netscape, which explains the LONG startup time. Netscape also has to initialize the VM EVERY PAGE YOU VISIT. This is why it takes longer. On pages where there is no script of any kind, Netscape wins (I tested) IE has the vm Initialized 24/7 because of things like ActiveDesktop and Folders. (Just so you know I use 5.5 also, but you cant bash Netscape without knowing the facts)
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4/7/2001 11:36:25 PM:Herb Riede
Unfortunately, Netscape is killing themselves with Netscape 6. I too was a devoted Netscape user until IE 5. However, as a beta tester for Netscape 5 (what? where?) I noticed they were commiting suicide. Obviously N5 never showed. Netscape 6 is not much of an improvement. I have personally submitted bugs for IE 5.5 and Netscape 6. I have an article in PSC's VB section on the IE 5.5 bug MS confirmed and listed. I have downloaded nightly builds to help track down the bugs in the Mozilla browser(The basis of Netscape). There are so many bugs, that one bug I submitted (onClick script event handling bugs) was replied from administrators that the developers are too overwhelmed to do anything about it. I hate Microsoft.. I hate AOL (who bought Netscape).. I hate Apple.. But I have to deal with them anyway. Anyway, great article..
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4/25/2001 3:09:14 PM:Maverick
I had an arguement at a gathering with some annoying know-it 15-year old kid about this. He hated IE because Microsoft, and in ways I feel like a hypocrite, however development-wise IE is better. Developers develop for the masses, and Netscape bites, but we still have to do it. My website (still in works), uses ASP to automatically adjust and display according to the browser. Basically 3 layouts... 1 - IE 4 or higher, 2 - Netscape 4.x, or 3 - NS 6 and all others. My site likes to use DIV tags, but the support in NS 6 stinks. Style tags are barely supported with NS4, therefore, my site will disable special effects and change layout accordingly. Take a look in different browsers, it's funny to see how it changes. Opera users can even use it, though the layout stinks in comparison to the one with special effects. :-) Maverick www.maverickshideout.co m
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5/15/2001 6:59:01 PM:Sam Moses (Author)
God help us all, I'm using IE 6.
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6/8/2001 5:54:53 PM:Joel
once aol came in the picture i knew it was all going to hell. if you load anything by aol on your box you might as well just walk out into the middle of the road and jump into the first semi you see cuz it aint gonna feel much better working with that software.
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6/25/2001 1:58:44 PM:Rob
I enjoyed your article very much. I have downloaded Netscape 6.1 and am glad it shows great promise. Now I can direct users to upgrade, as Netscape 4.x is no longer up to the job that 6.1 and the IE browsers are capable of. Thanks.
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6/25/2001 2:00:49 PM:Rob
Good article. I've recently downloaded and tested Netscape 6.1 with our project's web site and am glad to say it shows great promise. Now I can re-direct users of Netscape 4.x to upgrade. Thanks!
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9/5/2001 10:47:00 PM:Michael
Netscape admits defeat and hopefully will be gone within a year... Read this link >> http://browserwatch.internet.com/news/st ories2001/news-20010606-1.html
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3/1/2002 8:00:49 AM:Nikhil Khade
Netscape should be banned. IE is up and running only because it IS better in all aspects. Netscape should only be counted in the market if it can make a better product, not because it supports anti-Microsoft people.
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3/13/2002 6:52:29 AM:Pedro Lamas
Nikhil Khade is absolutely right! Can you imagine the work we have when we have to code for both versions? And by the way: where are the CSS2 (and event CSS3) classes and styles in Netscape? Because I know that they are available in IE... I use them!
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