|Submitted on: 2/12/2001 11:55:36 AM |
By: Syllva Tech Software
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|Dear fellow coders,
Thanks for all the votes and comments you've been giving for this article. I really love this site, and hundreds of others do too. This listing is just a few things I've noticed while visiting the Planet since 1998.
These are just a few of the things on my mind and I really think there are quite a few other coders who take this profession seriously, and agree with the above. We come here to learn, not flame, accuse, spam, flood or whatever. Ian is doing a good job keeping this site up for us, and I personally think this is the best source code site on the entire web. Let's keep it that way.
- Please read before submitting your code. The upload area says not to submit exe's without source code, but they have been found once in a while.
- If you're submitting code, please make sure any ActiveX controls referenced in your project that are not actually in the project are taken out. I don't like to load a project and then finding out my version of VB can't find that spiffy brand-new do everything API control.
- Don't say "You/He stole my code!" If you're submitting it to PSC, then the only thing people are going to do is use it in their projects. The only time you can actually say that is if there is no change whatsoever to anything. I can get into copyright laws here, but this article is not for that, I can upload one for those interested.
- If someone submits a port scanner, please look at the code before saying "IT'S A TROJAN!!!" A port scanner is not an automatic trojan. A trojan will put something on the computer itself. A port scanner just checks for open ports. No damage is done unless the coder puts it in. So look at the code before accusations are made.
- It hasn't been mentioned for awhile, but there was a time when someone made a web browser and then the flames came with - It's not a real browser! It's just a front-end to IE! And so on. Well, if anyone can make their own custom madee 100% non-IE or non-Mozilla based browser, then post it please.
- Before posting source code, PLEASE make sure "Option Eplicit" appears at the top of your code. I'm a little tired of opening a program, and debugging for awhile so I can try to run the code.
- If you want to upload more than 2 or 3 submissions, please don't submit them one after the other if they're short snippets of code. Multiple submissions like that only uses up space that someone else could use. Please put them in a single zipped file and upload it as a single submission.
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|2/12/2001 1:44:45 PM:Simon Price|
I think that needed saying. Ofcourse,
someone could argue that you are a
hypocrite because this post contains no
code. I agree with all your points
|2/12/2001 1:45:54 PM:Kotaro|
Don't forget my pet peeve: The
uploaded project that admits it's
incomplete, or has known bugs, but they
upload it anyway.
|2/12/2001 3:30:00 PM:hostile17|
|2/12/2001 4:48:09 PM:Ziegs|
I agree with Eric. I'm a teen and I
wouldn't do anything like that. We
find it just as annoying as the rest of
you. And if it was a kid, blame it on
Abe Lincoln. No school in lots of
places 'cause its his b-day.
|2/12/2001 6:35:05 PM:AzId|
Congrats to you, QCS, because I know
that I probably missed a good program
or two on the ticker because of those
uploads. I hope whoever it was, child
or adult, gets banned permenantly and
learns a lesson through it, although
they probably won't. And, wehter or not
you're hypocritical about things with
no code, it doesn't matter because
hopefully you've made a breakthrough
for regulations on the site.
|2/12/2001 9:15:00 PM:Pixelation|
I agree to all the above (^^^)
submissions. Thank god they removed all
those Cr@p posts. Robbie Sauders, where
ever u are, GET A **** LIFE!!
|2/12/2001 10:38:59 PM:PacoPaco59|
::::clap clap clap::::: it's about time
someone spoke up, I agree. 1 thing to
add to the list though is:
to learn the difference between source
code that will compile w/ MSVC, Unix
compilers, Ansi C++, Borland etc.
sick of d/ling code that is labled Ansi
or MSVC and turns out to be very unix
reliant, that is such a pain, I am
teaching myself and that makes things
10 times harder! Yes yes yes, I know I
need to learn to port code, but porting
a proprietary Borland function to ansi
is da*n (psc censored) near impossible
for someone new (8 months) to c++
Ok, rant is over, anyway thanks again
for the post
|2/12/2001 10:46:35 PM:Queen City Software|
Well, it seems like I hit something
here. Thanks everyone for the support,
I was going to put quite a few more on,
but I didn't (don't know why). I'm just
tired of the lamers who make it a
little more difficult to make this site
enjoyable. I see it was tried again a
few hours later, but it was gone within
a few minutes. Yes, this applies to all
worlds. I've seen similar things done
in the C++ world too.
|2/12/2001 10:47:54 PM:anonymous|
to all of those who know him, it was a
little 15 year old kid named wizdum
that hangs out in Excite virtual places
chat. He hasn't been online since this
little fiasco, hopefully his computer
was taken from him.
|2/13/2001 6:31:20 AM:Stephen Kent|
Unfortunately no such luck he's back
again with another 2400+ entries.
|2/13/2001 11:45:59 AM:droz|
Why don't you all consider yourself
lucky that it was just massive posts?
It could have been a lot worse. It was
just an annoyance, it wasn't a DoS
attack or DDoS attack. It caused
virtually no downtime, and was simply
annoying. Instead of bitching and
moaning about how unfair it is, be
thankful some script kiddy with a bunch
of OC3 roots didn't lock down the box
with a DoS attack.
|2/13/2001 12:47:52 PM:Queen City Software|
I think that's what he was trying to
get at droz...
|2/14/2001 6:35:44 AM:Fluffydave|
I agreee, I use this site extensively
to save hours of experimentation every
time I need to do something new. More
respect should be given to worth of
PSC. OOI, is there a newsgroup of PSC
coders around? I used to read one
butthe noise/content ratio was a bit
|2/14/2001 8:01:06 AM:Synergis Technologies|
Thanks for voicing what a lot of us
feel. This is a great site to do
research. We don't need all the junk it
doesn't benefit anyone.
|2/16/2001 8:50:17 PM:Queen City Software|
Well Nick, I understand what you're
saying. I work hard too, but it seems
like there is a lot of wasted time
downloading code from a bunch of lamers
who don't read the rules for
submissions, or flame others for their
efforts, or just don't care what they
upload, then finding out some doesn't
work, or there's no code in the ZIP
file. I'd rather see code that I know
is going to work when I get it, instead
of spending a few minutes or hours
debugging it. I'm sorry everyone agrees
with it and they vote. The only time I
won a contest here is from code I
uploaded that wasn't mine (which I
acknowledged) and told everyone not to
bother to vote.
|2/22/2001 4:53:28 PM:Ackbar|
I agree with what he says. But to the
guy who said that it was annoying to
post buggy or incomplete code I totaly
disagree. I've done it myself simply
because I've lost interest in whatever
I was working on but got a lot of work
done and thought someone might wanna
finish it up and do what they will with
it. Also it might be a good learning
experience to maybe finish up something
that you might not of considered at
your level. Besides I've never seen a
complete bug free application in my
life, have any of you? Just my thoughts.
|3/2/2001 7:09:20 PM:Nathan Martin|
Very good post!
and Yeah, this is the
BEST Source Code Site on the net, all
others are full of unless and outdated
junk, but here on PSC, you'll most
likely find what you're looking for :)
|3/2/2001 7:10:13 PM:Nathan Martin|
useless not unless, I hate typos
|3/2/2001 10:00:52 PM:Eric Malamisura|
I post incomplete code as well and have
won several awards and have had many of
my fellow programmers benefit from it.
As I recall its planet source code not
planet program code. Besides I think I
benefit more from incomplete programs
that show the main technology being
demonstrated rather than countless
other things in the program as well.
Although its nice to take a look at
full fledged programs often to see hard
earned work and devotion put into it
and then released for free. I missed
the posting flood and I am glad I did
because it sounds like he made some
little program in vb probably using
some code he got off of here to do his
little posting flood so he sorta
contradicted his efforts really.
Elucid Software Inc.
|3/3/2001 7:40:11 PM:Tom Pickles|
How about adding one extra
|3/3/2001 7:43:22 PM:DIGEVAMP PRODUCTIONS LTD|
how about adding one Extra "rule",
"don't say your code does XXXX
fantastic amazing thing when it clearly
dosen't", That annoys me more than any
of the allready listed "rules".
|3/3/2001 9:39:54 PM:Darren Hutchison|
Well done Queen City Software! You've
just won code of the month! I voted for
you because you articulated well enough
in value what could have been submitted
in code. We do indeed have a community
here, and certainly no-one is perfect
in terms of their attitude or their
submissions, but we should draw the
line against those people who wilfully
attempt to disrupt the ethos of PSC.
|3/6/2001 2:38:39 AM:Shawn|
You forgot Winsock chat clients.
|3/6/2001 2:39:57 AM:Shawn|
...and MP3 players.
|3/6/2001 4:24:58 AM:Tim Sørensen|
Very very nice spooken.!
|3/8/2001 5:43:40 PM:Shawn|
Pretty much if everyone would get off
|3/8/2001 5:46:43 PM:Shaw|
Pssh, PSC and they're little forum
If evreyone would
get off this *Look what I can do!*
mentality instead of a *How can I
help?!* attitude, we wouldn't have much
c-ra-p to filter through.
|3/15/2001 8:08:48 PM:AGP|
I agree with what was written here. To
add I wish people would stop putting
****MUST SEE**** on code that shows you
how to fill a combobox or how to change
a background color. Why not put instead
**FOR THE NOVICE****. Also, I dont mind
when people put up incomplete or buggy
code. Sometimes I just need someone to
spot me and show me the rough way, then
I can go and finish up or debug the
code. Ive done that plenty of times and
it gives some content to finish what
others didnt. sometimes i repost to
help other people. Asides from that PSC
is a great resource for code snippets.
|3/20/2001 5:43:27 PM:Jason|
I aggree with every point and would
like to make one of my own.
the FIRST site where newbies to the
programming world can submit something
there working on and not be flamed by
people for not knowing exactly what
there doing, this is what makes this
|3/23/2001 12:04:42 PM:Alucaine|
Well I agree on the post.. however I
dont think the author should be using
the term 'lamer' as I've now seen in
almost every one of his posts.
he's upset with the pre-pubescent
annoying wannabe's who no doubt wont
even read this post as they already
|3/23/2001 12:11:51 PM:Alucaine|
"own" everything, but all-in-all, I
still dont think anybody should use the
word "lamer" to describe them.
(Especially not aol users *grin*)
waiting for Ian to flood us with posted
msgs like "I REALLY do own PSC" but
until then if you're not here to help
fellow programmers *smile* then go back
to your playstations at least until you
have grown out of the two year old
mentality of pointless flooding as a
means of immature rebellion.
for those who post incomplete code...
Buy a VB for dummies book so you can
learn how to include ALL the relevant
source of a project!
|3/26/2001 5:25:37 PM:krash|
THAT IS SO FRIGGIN LAME!!! i am so sick
of these wannabe h4x0rs and stoopid
l4me users who screw everything over,
so now PSC no longer lets us upload OCX
or EXE files?????? this is going way
beyond tolerable, why don't they just
sensor any file longer than 100k since
some people are obviously too stoopid
to read through it ALL and there MAY be
dangerous code in it, blah. oh my gawd.
not they sensor the word st00pid. jeez.
|3/31/2001 9:50:50 AM:Digit|
I've been using PSC for 1 1/2 years
while I learn to program in VB. Some
people come to learn, some to teach and
some to play and showoff, It's a great
site,and even incomplete code can help
if there's 1 line in there that is what
you are looking for or put you on the
Queen City Software is
right and the prize he got is deserved.
|6/8/2001 5:07:48 PM:-=SolarisMKA=-|
I have to disagree with your article
and what people are saying
Kotaro, I agree totally. Why
post incomplete or buggy code? My guess
is they expect someone to come along
and clean up their mess, then post it
back so their homework has just been
done for them
|6/8/2001 5:09:36 PM:-=SolarisMKA=-|
"If you're submitting code, please make
sure any ActiveX controls referenced in
your project that are not actually in
the project are taken out"
guess not everyone is as thoror with
there work as you! It goes with the
bugs you are quite welcome to take
those Active X controls out yourself,
or don't download the
and that my 2 cents.
|6/8/2001 5:11:52 PM:-=SolarisMKA=-|
<---This goes with my first
The hole reason for PSC is
to improve change and make exsample of
the code here! Some people make half
the project so that others could
download it, improve it and then upload
it again. To better as a whole!
Wheather it was a school project or not
isn't the issue!!!
|7/12/2001 1:05:03 PM:infurn|
I'd just like to say that it is
virtualy impossible to make an internet
browser for windows without it relating
to internet explorer, the current
versions of netscape and mozilla (
win32 ) don't run correctly without
making using some internet explorer
function / library
|7/17/2001 2:37:39 AM:Akoi Mexx|
To hear this is music to the ears
I'm a little worried that a lot
of people considered the "I own PSC"
person to be a teen. I'm 16 and that
is an insult.
Then again, what age
group would want that person residing
with them? Thanks for posting
Ian, you should
put this up as a code of ethics. Minus
the "Option Eplicit" stuff, if you're a
good programmer, you should know better
than to not declare your variables!
|7/17/2001 3:35:29 AM:wwwWizard|
Hurrah! Excellent Rules Of Conduct.
|7/17/2001 6:19:46 AM:Jeff Cockayne|
EXACTLY! There IS an increasing problem
on PSC with code making references to
either really OBSCURE or EXPENSIVE
ActiveX components that few of us have.
On top of that, there's literally
nothing to be learned in some of the
worst cases, where the ActiveX control
does 99.99% of the work...a GREAT
example of that is the torrent of "MP3
players" posted that are nothing more
than a front-end for Windows Media
Player, which ALREADY HAS A FRONT
I make this post simply because
I love this site, and it has probably
saved me MONTHS (not to mention $$$) of
finding, purchasing, and reading
|7/17/2001 7:56:51 AM:tony pn|
i'm annoyed that i can't think of
something to complain about
p.s. GOD BLESS YOU, SEAN YOUNG!
|7/17/2001 10:12:54 AM:Rod TerMaat|
Never posted, but read everyday.
Thanks you for setting some guidlines.
I get frustrated too.
|7/17/2001 10:47:48 AM:Pooh|
|7/17/2001 11:16:42 AM:opello|
I'm also a teen, and have learned quite
a bit from my currently 2 years with
PSC. (I even remember when you could
have exe's and ocx'es in your zips!
Nostalga...) Anyway, these are good
values, but the only piece of code that
I posted was a redundant code, but
everyone asked for it, so I made a very
simple app that did what they wanted
(username, computername, ipaddress) but
I was ridiculed for masking out my
computername and ipaddress ... I got 2
votes, and I said that I got all of the
code from PSC (which I did). But I
vote for code that I find worthy :) and
leave feedback where I find a bug or
|7/17/2001 11:17:49 AM:opello|
(cont) About the kid thing, well, it
was probably a 12 year old or about
that .. I'm 17, so I don't take much
offense, unless it's from adults saying
that all 'kids' are going to do this,
in which case, think back to the $tupid
things that you did when you were young
-- Not saying that I'm going to go
flood PSC (which I wouldn't, I use it
too much) ... but just because the
flooder was $tupid, doesn't mean that
everyone else has to follow suit and
also do rash things. My 3¢
|7/17/2001 12:36:32 PM:julz|
I LOVE PSC! I come here first to find
code snippets--why reinvent the wheel?
I've only posted once, but if my post
helped someone speed up an app or just
accomplish one thing they've been
racking their brain on, then great.
Maybe those who don't feel as generous
as the rest of us should start their
own forum and flame each other.
|7/17/2001 6:20:39 PM:Graham|
Sure stirred up a hornets nest with
this one, I have only been using VB for
about six months and have found it of
great help,though recenlly have found
it annoying for the very reasons that
you express basically your comments
have my vote, needed saying.
|9/6/2001 3:41:30 PM:daz|
One thing i would like to add on the
"incomplete code" debate.
personal experience, when i DL
something, i am very rarely looking for
the complete program, just a part of
the program which i need for my own
projects. Does it really matter if a
user submits a full working program
that does x number of things, when you
are only looking for one particular
thing. i have DL'd some incomplete code
which i have still found useful.
one other thing.
plz would people
stop using the discussion forums to ask
"How do i break the date code on this
most of the programmers here
are not hackers, and qould be fairly
annoyed if they sold a program which
somebody distributed a hack for
|11/23/2001 5:59:33 AM:Citizen Suicide aka Sean Young|
Hey - you stole my name! :)
most of your points my man!
torrent of mp3 players is bad! really
winds me up! Except that i am writing
my own, at about 11000 line now, that
catagorically *DOES NOT* use windows
media player, and i am thinking of
posting it here, but it is a little
my point, don't tar all the
mp3 player submissions with the same
|1/11/2002 9:20:30 AM:DragonHeart|
I Agree With Your Statement
|3/6/2002 4:14:46 AM:Exeat|
|6/23/2002 4:47:41 PM:CrashandBurn|
Maybe I am a little late for this, but
just wanted to say I agree with the
I have only
been using PSC for a few months and
have found it tremendously helpful
(better than wor lass
Anyways, other than
the one about incomplete submissions, I
agree with all his comments.
|10/23/2002 8:10:55 PM:-=TheASP=-|
For all you people saying, 'Don't post
incomplete programs' you obviously have
never looked at the catogory list.
Among all the catagories is one title
'Complete Programs' (or something like
that). If your looking for a complete
program look in there!
|10/23/2002 8:13:01 PM:-=TheASP=-|
This is for all you people saying
"don't post incomplete or buggy apps".
Well, if you wan't a complete app look
in the complete applications (title
something like that) catogory and as
for bugs, if you can show me a program
that you think has NO bugs, e-mail it
to me. I'll find one; if your looking
for perfect grammer, don't look at my
|11/1/2002 8:41:34 PM:|
|11/2/2002 7:52:43 PM:|
I feel your pain. One little thing
though, I think it's "Option Explicit".
No ... no ... please dont hit me.
|2/20/2003 8:02:14 AM:|
Agree with much said. Great community.
However, 'buggy and incomplete' code
serves a purpose. Many times I don't
need or want an app... Just point me in
the right direction, I don't expect the
poster to do ALL the work!!! Most
importantly the planet HELPS...
|3/10/2003 4:34:17 PM:HTML Dude|
1) What is the point of Vent number
2) PEOPLE PLEASE NOTE THAT YOU CAN
STILL INCLUDE "EXE'S" and I quote, "The
upload area says not to submit exe's
without source code"
3) I agree, It's
also a waste bandwidth too.
5) Yes. "ALWAYS READ THE CODE
BEFORE YOU COMPILE IT" It's your
computer and if you want to take a
chance on it being trashed, be my
6) That I want to see. LOL
I thought this would have been a given.
Add OPTION EXPLICIT and press CTRL & F5
to make VB debug yer code before
|3/10/2003 4:36:53 PM:HTML Dude|
I also find that, "even though most
amateur and some professional
programmers have a heightened sense of
their own importance (most often
without any justification whatsoever)"
that "the majority of people who add
comments to code posted on PSC, are
extremely helpful". And I would like to
say a personal thanks to all who
contribute in any to PSC and to the PSC
dudes and dudesses (whoever they may
Most of the comments that are
added by users browsing code, either
point out errors or suggest
improvements to the posted code.
|3/10/2003 4:37:50 PM:HTML Dude|
Of course missing components, or badly
written code will be posted on occasion
and I (personally) am sure it is not
ever intentional. Every time I have
perused posted code comments and
someone has pointed out to the author,
that something is either missing or
incorrect, the author has either added
the missing files, or corrected/updated
With regard to the 100's
of web browsers and mp3 players, the
more the merrier. I once spent a few
hours downloading the many different
web browsers on PSC and was delighted
to find, that although many people used
similar ways to create the main browser
GUI, it was the many cool and useful
"additional" functions which people
have added that make the code worth
downloading (for beginners to VB coding
|3/10/2003 4:39:13 PM:HTML Dude|
Also, because this is the FREE
Internet, I would like to submit that
we ask PSC, if we can have a vote on
these rules, with people adding
comments and suggestions to help
Because I would like to
add a few things to the List.
When submitting code:
a) Please DO
NOT zip a quantity of subfolders and
submit it to PSC. Example would be code
which is actually in a folder called
"MyCode", but is contained in a
succesion of folders like so. "Program
Code\MyCode". It is extremely annoying
to have to go through all these folders
just to get to a piece of code. (Contd
|3/10/2003 4:39:51 PM:HTML Dude|
9) Add "Detailed Comments" to your
code. A detailed introduction which is
at least more than one line, would not
go amiss either.
(I personally do
not vote for, or comment on code which
is either not commented, or has the
briefest of explanations as to
functionality. But I will download the
code and check it out. I know it sounds
mean, but I come here for help and if I
were to submit something, I would do so
based on these principals.)
|3/10/2003 4:40:51 PM:HTML Dude|
Exclusive VB "Open Source"
On a totally different note
altogether. Whuilst I know that most of
the code is "Open Source" in the widest
of all senses, does anyone think that
having an exclusive "OPEN SOURCE"
section on PSC, with actual and ongoing
projects which anyone can participate
in, is a good idea?
I think It would
also be a profitable idea for PSC too,
because it would open up a whole new
world of people who might be tempted to
take a look at programming, on route
from hyperlinks from these open source
program web sites, which PSC, would of
course host. Any Takers, what do you
think? Please direct your comments
either to this page, or PSC.
|6/4/2003 7:30:47 PM:Michael D.|
Some one deleted me post :| Also I hate
it how PSC removes the code I submit
(Mailster) because I cant upload it to
their dodgy servers and I have to put a
link in :|
|6/22/2003 4:05:44 AM:Morpheous Dreams|
D*mn a contest winner off speaking.
wonder if i posted "i had a dream" if i
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